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hey everyone welcome to jfab live stream

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today's guest is going to be um

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john alexander and um he will be one of

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the keynote speakers during the ozark

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mountain ufo conference and it's going

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to take place in eureka springs in april

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from the 8th till 10th

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doing the q a you can submit your

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question in the chat

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simply put three asterisks before your

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questions so it easily pops out at me

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and for those that would like to ask a

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question directly um you can join the

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download the app on your computer or

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raise your hand and you'll be added to

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and i'll let them get into their

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so welcome john how are you uh thanks

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pretty good let's have a look

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well thank you very much for uh for

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being on today and um i apologize for

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any technical difficulties we were

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slides and whatnot and unfortunately

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glad he's connected audio is good video

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is good so we'll go from there so john

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if you could please start out a little

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bit about your background and what got

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you going in in this in this subject in

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the beginning and then we'll go from

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well i guess my first question would be

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is which is this subject

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well about like a whole broad range of

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things you know it's a ufo conference

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which although so my talk is far broader

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well i figured let's start out um how is

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it that um because you are you you're a

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i was uh

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another lifetime and so so maybe just

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how how does a colonel get involved with

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let's say et's or consciousness

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i don't think we ought to just publish a

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bio or something uh had been involved in

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security national security and

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more than half a century been involved

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you know various phenomena for far

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longer than that

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while on active duty i

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program looking at

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i might mention i did my doctorate

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elizabeth coogler-ross

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was one of the head of my committee

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that was at a time when near-death

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so i then became the president of the

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international association for near-death

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studies

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in the military we had a lot of very

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things related to sci phenomena and of

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course remote viewing so i was on the

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when irva

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have been all over the world i've dealt

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government or the military dovers very

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much look at the subject in this nuts

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way uh what what is it that uh got you

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i can't even follow the question frankly

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said even predates the military i was

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colloquially known as that on other

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personal interest and spanned

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anything that maybe you could go a

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little bit into uh the parts of what you

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uh unfortunately the slides

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can't demonstrate but my point has been

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various phenomena and i know they're

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talking about ufos but the slide would

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presentations i've talked to many ufo

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international amazonian

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totally uh connected

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because unfortunately the research areas

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into kind of narrow parameters and it is

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my view that's a mistake i think

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that ufo happened to come down against

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the eth or which we call the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis

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uh not because there's not interactions

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there are but that eth little grey guys

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too simple uh an answer

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and does not explain what uh people are

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again there have been interactions

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between humans and sentient non-humans

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various kinds of interactions that take

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little bit what you found how would

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uh no they all have to study buddhism or

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many lives and necessary not necessarily

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regarding context as i said there have

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right um so for anyone else watching

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pop at me easier so john while i give

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these different beings coming from these

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interdimensional ultra-dimensional

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whatever it is it is more complex than

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variations in between

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you know

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dealing with now that have

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interactions with orbs if you will ones

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that constitute ufos or whatnot it

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certainly seems to constitute uh contact

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of some kind

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so um

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i say the complexity is just

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and so

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because of this complexity how

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um what what can people then expect so

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for example from just your average

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person that might be just interested in

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ufos is there any particular fields that

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you want them to go into or maybe some

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things to read up on for them to

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understand this better are they any

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something that they can kind of start

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out with to then eventually evolve into

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of what

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off

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of whatever this is these ufos whatever

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they are because for someone that just

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thinks that these are nuts and bolts how

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can they better prepare themselves to

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understand it better

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well some of them are nuts and bolts

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there's no doubt about the i mean the

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first line of my ufo book is ufos are

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real

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and by that i do mean hard you know some

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i did do a book called ufos

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misconspiracies and realities but not

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about a decade now

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my more recent book that

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does the more comprehensive studies

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is uh reality denied

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uh

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and first-hand experiences with things

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that can't happen but did

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and that goes through the various things

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that

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we have encountered in travels around

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the world

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have been going on on constant basis and

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scientific evidence that supports

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the various phenomena

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so it's um

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and there's literally thousands and

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thousands of books

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on

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the range of the phenomena

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watch some of the

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things here and there's also a lot of

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wing nuts

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that

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get involved

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and

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you know i have a we used to have a

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thing when i was stationed in hawaii

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that says if you believe

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and uh there's a lot of people that

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believe some very strange things that

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are you know demonstrably false

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i might mention that the second to last

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paragraph

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in the reality denied is called the

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flame

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and in that i talk about and i've seen

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friends who

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get involved in the study of a wide

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range of phenomena

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um

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and end up getting burned i mean i've

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just watched too many people just

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traipse along and get deeply involved

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and go off the deep end

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and things that are

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you know demonstrably false

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and it

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doesn't seem to matter

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unfortunately we're currently living in

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a world like that in the political arena

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so john i have a question from labels

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she's asking do you see anything special

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happening for humanity given the

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information that some of us are coming

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to understand regarding

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multi-dimensional universes and or

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anything special coming i don't know

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we've i lived through the whole

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inference of the dawning of the age of

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aquarius and whatnot

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i think we seem to be constantly

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evolving

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uh or at least some people are

390
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i'm

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not very sanguine about where

392
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humanity is headed at the moment i think

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we're

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working it

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you know do

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we survive on this planet or or not or

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make it uh uninhabitable

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we seem to be anti-nature

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at the moment and as the old saying goes

400
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it's not nice to fool mother nature

401
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and uh that uh

402
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yeah i think there's going to be

403
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some levels of

404
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retribution for our mishandling

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uh of the environment that we've been

406
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given

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so

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hopefully uh i am

409
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a bit

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hopeful that uh

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we have some old souls that are

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incarnating now

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may

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you know grab a hold and pull us up but

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uh the earth needs a lot of help right

416
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do you think that this process this

417
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especially in this political arena do

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you possibly see this as some kind of

419
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no i think it's a death knell i think

420
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democracy's done but that's

421
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probably not a political arena you you

422
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want to go into but uh

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we were given a great gift and i think

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we we

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as a nation have blown it and proven

426
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um what um

427
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so do you think do you think there's

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um ever going to be

429
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so for example just recently the

430
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government has been kind of changing

431
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their tune about how they view the ufos

432
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or as they call it the aerial phenomena

433
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and uh there's a bill going through the

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senate right now to basically create a

435
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office of um

436
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uh unidentified aerial phenomena

437
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has already been done

438
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:22,880
oh that's a trash challenge

439
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,760
okay and so um what kind of what do you

440
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think the government is really doing

441
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that for is it truly to just collect

442
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data and have a central point where data

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can be sent to or do you think is for

444
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some other reasons

445
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i guess one of the key chapters that i

446
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have in the ufo book

447
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:47,440
is on how the government works

448
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and again some of my slides it says

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the pentagon says

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nothing pentagon is a big stone building

451
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it's occupied by about 29 000 people

452
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that come in with a wide variety of uh

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opinions on things some of them were

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positive some were

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very negative

456
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and most of them just don't care

457
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now

458
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the point on this

459
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is that they have had interactions

460
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that we now know have taken place

461
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,039
um between aircraft but these are the

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ones that have come out

463
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most recently

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people know about the new york times

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article in december of 17

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that talked about the

467
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atep program and there was awesome

468
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before that the big low here had

469
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had run

470
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now what i did was 30 years prior and

471
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they came to about the same conclusions

472
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that we did 30 years ago

473
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again

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reality of the

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experiences and truly exist

476
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i will actually make a case

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this is not a government issue

478
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they're getting forced into it a bit i

479
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do think there's aspects

480
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that they should be involved in

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particularly since you have

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interactions between

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various weapons systems and um

484
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you know ufos of various kinds

485
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but

486
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i think the far and the

487
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the questions are far broader than any

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government

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uh now

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if you expand we said in the

491
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consciousness areas we have no

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expectation

493
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:43,600
that the government would be involved in

494
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:47,039
the studies that support your religious

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00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,159
beliefs

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and things like reincarnation life after

497
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,880
death and all that so if all of these

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are are

499
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interrelated then how can you say this

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is a

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proper place for the government to be

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00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,760
involved i think they've got

503
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applications in a small aspect now they

504
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,600
do bring something to the table that

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cannot be

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00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,679
replicated and that's the uh are

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national systems

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as well as tactical

509
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sensor systems that do pick up ufos and

510
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that uh there's an article that just

511
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where

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chris mellon had basically taken on the

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air force

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reluctant to be involved in any of these

515
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studies

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most of the cases that are known have

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come from uh naval sources

518
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and he is has admonished

519
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,320
the air force for not being more uh

520
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,880
forthcoming

521
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,000
now i happen to think that

522
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remember there was a project blue book

523
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that went for many years

524
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and that was culminated with something

525
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called the compounded report for the

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colorado report

527
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and and frankly

528
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constant was right in his report this

529
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,039
came out in 1969

530
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and

531
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you know the question to condone was not

532
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,600
are ufos real it was are they a threat

533
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:30,400
haven't been really invaded that we know

534
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:31,120
of

535
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,159
e.t here and that but

536
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:38,080
you know what the air force wanted was

537
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,600
just make this go away because

538
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and the question even today becomes what

539
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,159
percentage of resources are you going to

540
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,880
apply to a project that you

541
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,760
have a very low probability

542
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,600
of getting

543
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,240
any solution to

544
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,400
but currently there's enough political

545
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,360
pressure on to at least allow them to do

546
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,960
something

547
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,919
but

548
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,000
again people don't understand the budget

549
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,000
they don't understand the government or

550
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,640
how it works

551
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,679
i was

552
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,880
an inspector general at one point

553
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,279
at the department of army level and my

554
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,159
boss was lieutenant general uh dick

555
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,840
trevor

556
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,640
and he had to create a course

557
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,520
for incoming inspectors general

558
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,520
on how the government works and

559
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,559
understand

560
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,640
these were all guys who were lieutenant

561
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,880
colonels and colonels who had

562
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14 to 20 years

563
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,440
in the government

564
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
and most of us did not understand how it

565
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,240
works so you can imagine when you

566
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,799
extrapolate that to

567
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,520
you know civilian society

568
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,240
as their understanding of how our

569
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,120
government works is absolutely

570
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,480
school so we have

571
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,480
kind of a

572
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,320
slight overview

573
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,679
of what they think things uh work like

574
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,200
when they don't they're much more

575
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,720
complex than that but the bottom line on

576
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,919
all of these is they are stewards of uh

577
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,520
public funds

578
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,960
and there's got to be a certain

579
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,559
accountability

580
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,520
as to how you apply so the question then

581
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,720
becomes

582
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,640
for people out there and i'll understand

583
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,600
people watch you know your program and

584
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,240
all the ones like it have a very intense

585
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,520
interest in

586
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,960
ufos

587
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,440
where they wouldn't be

588
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,960
involved

589
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,440
what we do know is it's 70 percent of

590
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,919
the population believes that there are

591
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,360
ufos

592
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,159
but most of them it's a whole home this

593
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,799
is as interesting as out there all watch

594
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,520
the programs but don't have an intense

595
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,960
uh interest

596
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,880
so the question from a government

597
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,120
perspective then becomes what percent of

598
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,240
our resources am i going to apply

599
00:27:05,909 --> 00:26:59,200
to

600
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,919
certainly interesting though i mean i'm

601
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,159
not denigrating

602
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,720
interest or anomalies of the reality of

603
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,720
the phenomena

604
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:14,960
talking here from a purely

605
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,799
you know business perspective uh and

606
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,399
the amount of funding

607
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,279
that is involved in these areas or ever

608
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,080
has been is minuscule

609
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,600
um

610
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:29,840
i'll give you an example one example i

611
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,840
used to use is the large hadron

612
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,760
collider and uh

613
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,480
that is something that we're looking for

614
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,679
the god particle you know higgs boson or

615
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,399
something of that nature if you will and

616
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:47,200
we spent about 10 billion dollars

617
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,480
bringing it up

618
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,679
and a billion dollars a year to keep it

619
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,039
going

620
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,039
you know when if you know this is the

621
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,679
program that uh

622
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,640
that

623
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,799
lou elizondo talked about they were

624
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,000
talking about 20 million dollars which

625
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,440
in pentagon

626
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:07,919
terms kind of lunch money

627
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:14,789
if you look at

628
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,080
and i do compare these to say rare

629
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,559
diseases and things like that

630
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,120
i i argue the whole phenomena that we're

631
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,679
talking about is series are at least as

632
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,760
complex as cancer

633
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,720
and we've spent hundreds of billions on

634
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,360
that so if i translate that to

635
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,039
we're going to put a couple million

636
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,440
dollars into it from

637
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,799
you know the dod perspective

638
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:42,840
uh your probability of

639
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,389
so then taking taking that into account

640
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,200
would it then just be a matter of uh

641
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,520
just average people just then

642
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,799
going to

643
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,039
conferences more often

644
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,960
building events themselves more often

645
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,880
and just building it bigger and bigger

646
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,559
in order for the government to then

647
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,880
start realizing okay maybe there is more

648
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,240
interest there

649
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,399
what would you suggest

650
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,480
oh no they um

651
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,480
they know

652
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,960
that there's uh interest when foia first

653
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,960
came to into existence that's the

654
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:21,039
freedom of information act

655
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,159
uh

656
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,840
um

657
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,240
that was designed for people to be able

658
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,559
to ask the government of questions on

659
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,840
anything

660
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,480
and i believe early on about 50 of the

661
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,000
foyer requests

662
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,120
were on ufo phenomena of course they

663
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:38,840
didn't have very much

664
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,399
uh information that's applicable

665
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,159
so they know there's some interest but

666
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,320
the question has got to be

667
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,720
compared to what

668
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:52,080
i just said compared to cancer

669
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,200
compared to dod national security uh

670
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,120
interest

671
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,039
you can make a case

672
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,320
that interactions between ufos and

673
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:06,840
government aircraft are of

674
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,320
interest among us as a direct threat

675
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,600
um it is the department of defense not

676
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,320
the department of interesting ideas

677
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,000
so

678
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,480
you know how do you allocate your

679
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,430
and again as a manager how much

680
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,360
in the way of resources are you willing

681
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,760
to allocate against a program that you

682
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,159
have low probability

683
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:37,200
of the you know getting any kind of

684
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,510
um john i have a question here from fab

685
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,080
22 he's watching live from france right

686
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,279
now he's um asking are non-human crop

687
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,080
circles actively researched by official

688
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,240
government scientists and have any

689
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,519
connections been established with nda

690
00:31:03,269 --> 00:30:59,919
and non-human intelligence in regards to

691
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:03,990
not you

692
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,230
the best of my knowledge

693
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,480
now and here's one of the problems that

694
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,760
you have

695
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,360
i mean we keep talking about the

696
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,000
government as if it were a monolithic

697
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,399
entity it is not

698
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,080
it is made up u.s government alone alone

699
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,919
foreign governments

700
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,880
of

701
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,000
uh

702
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,840
hundreds of thousands of millions of

703
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,480
people deciding on the government they

704
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,440
have a wide range of experience see one

705
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,640
of my questions that has come up

706
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,640
is i looked and i think there's been

707
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,640
about

708
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,440
somewhere around 6 000 flag officers

709
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:44,080
meeting general officers and admirals

710
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,039
since

711
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,760
the the end of

712
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,279
project blue boat

713
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,080
so my question is not why do programs

714
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:54,799
like the one i created the one lou

715
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,159
worked with or others pop up is why

716
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:01,519
aren't there more because that tells me

717
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,640
that

718
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,200
a large number of people have had these

719
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,600
personal experiences

720
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,519
so an answer to direct answer to the

721
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,559
question

722
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,279
there is a considerable difference

723
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,159
between individual interest and

724
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:19,039
institutional responsibility

725
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,240
and

726
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,399
with the exception of the one program

727
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:24,720
now you do not find

728
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,120
where

729
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,440
institutions are in general are taking

730
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:30,880
this on

731
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,559
dna just got the task

732
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,679
and

733
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,600
you know they will do something but i

734
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,000
think it best collect a little data but

735
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,600
it's not going to be significant funding

736
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,159
that would be required to do serious

737
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,679
research in these areas

738
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,559
and

739
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,159
certainly

740
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,559
now there are people

741
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,200
within the government who believe that

742
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,240
they've had contact

743
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:01,919
just like

744
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,640
you know again in the civilian sector

745
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,840
but again that does not translate to

746
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:09,440
ergo

747
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,360
their institution their organization

748
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,559
is having you know specific interests

749
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,279
if we're into selling body parts and all

750
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,120
of the nonsense that you see and the

751
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,279
answer is really no

752
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,960
and i have

753
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,600
i do know about the black world or the

754
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,799
the uh

755
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,399
i can't say black world would be

756
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,640
different the mythical

757
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,720
you know stuff that goes on on the

758
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,360
internet i mean if you want crazy

759
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,440
i can tell you you can find on the

760
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,760
internet things that i personally led

761
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:44,720
nuclear strike against e.t and

762
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
dulce and just absolute craziness like

763
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:49,919
this so

764
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,720
there's no lower level to crazy

765
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,600
and uh but you you will find these

766
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:58,559
stories out there and i put

767
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,950
well when you have especially i mean the

768
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,240
a interdistributable thing but when it

769
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,240
comes to that it can definitely muddy

770
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,919
the waters for a lot of facts and

771
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,240
information

772
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,040
well

773
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:16,320
a guy i would recommend here do you know

774
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,430
oh yes i've interviewed it several times

775
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,520
and he's going to be on in march here as

776
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,200
well

777
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,359
yeah no i've been down to his house and

778
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,440
seeing the stuff that's going on there's

779
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,200
a good one you say what do you mean by a

780
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,839
ufo because besides the ones over the

781
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,480
house he actually had ones

782
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,919
show up in

783
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,240
the living room there and

784
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,520
the whole dog being rejuvenated and all

785
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,639
of that

786
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,440
but the study that they did i think is

787
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,280
really important because it had

788
00:35:03,589 --> 00:34:59,440
thousands of interviewees

789
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,599
and what you see is a progression

790
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,520
in thinking about

791
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,480
the incidents that sometimes they start

792
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,400
out as terrifying

793
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:13,200
and whatnot and people issue them and

794
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,770
say

795
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,880
[Music]

796
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,640
bad things are happening i don't want to

797
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:18,720
think about it to

798
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,760
you know over time saying you know

799
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,760
maybe that wasn't really positive and he

800
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:25,760
points out in his book he's got another

801
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:28,839
one that's about to come out

802
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,320
um where the studies showed that over

803
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,800
time there was a dramatic shift in

804
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,000
perception between indepen individuals

805
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,920
who believe that they have had

806
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,440
interactions

807
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,040
often starting out as highly negative to

808
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,680
you know looking at them in retrospect

809
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:50,160
and says oh you know

810
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,550
but i i recommend i forget the name of

811
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,040
the book until sucker's about three

812
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,200
inches thick i did do a chapter for him

813
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,599
in the first book

814
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,320
yeah that is that is pretty thick

815
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,720
yeah i was watching his presentation a

816
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,280
few years back when he was um

817
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,440
going over the data that they found and

818
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,520
uh it is quite heavy i do not want to

819
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,079
drop to my foot

820
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:19,119
that's right

821
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,320
but

822
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,200
what's most important there is

823
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,320
i think the finding is that the

824
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:27,680
a

825
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:42,079
these people

826
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,280
and

827
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,800
over time see how they their shift took

828
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,839
place

829
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,119
in

830
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,880
their perception

831
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,760
of

832
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,960
what those encounters were like uh and

833
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,760
like me i think he's pretty much uh

834
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,160
in agreement particularly we start

835
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,760
talking about interactions between

836
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,760
various kinds of

837
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,839
sentient uh

838
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,440
entities

839
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,880
that

840
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,320
it can't be

841
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,839
this does not exclude the possibility

842
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,200
of the cell that might be

843
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,119
extraterrestrial

844
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:22,880
but again that just does not explain

845
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,880
the plethora and variety and types of

846
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:29,280
interactions that

847
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,150
so um i don't want to change the subject

848
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,520
just uh uh

849
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,440
in anticipation of this next question i

850
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,520
want to ask are there

851
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
i guess because of the internet and the

852
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,680
information or misinformation that's

853
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,920
been spread around are there good guys

854
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,000
and bad guys in government as people see

855
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,790
of course

856
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,240
okay

857
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,320
how could that not be true

858
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,160
you know you've got millions of people

859
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,599
in the government

860
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,680
some of them are going to be very nice

861
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,400
people and others are going to be not so

862
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,079
very nice

863
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,640
okay so well the the next question and

864
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,480
this was this question is from nathan

865
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,400
it's a bit off topic i'll leave it up to

866
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,000
you if you would like to answer it or

867
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,359
not um he's as saying the world is in

868
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,560
disarray though we hear day after day

869
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,640
and country after countries rolling back

870
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:27,040
covet band-aids in your opinion do you

871
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,390
are the good guys well first of all we'd

872
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:39,599
have to define good guys

873
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:42,880
i'm not really sure how to do that

874
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,400
i think the us is woefully behind other

875
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,800
developed countries

876
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,040
and it does get into politics

877
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,560
unfortunately

878
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,430
yeah people have chosen to

879
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,480
you know for political interest not get

880
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,839
vaccinated which allows

881
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,599
you know the

882
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:10,320
governed to mutate that's just been one

883
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,359
of the problems i do think that uh you

884
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,440
know we're going through omicron at the

885
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,480
moment having had delta in fact a couple

886
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,760
of versions of omicron i do suspect

887
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,680
that there will be another one that

888
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,480
comes along probably more virulent and

889
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,000
that's because the viruses naturally

890
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:32,000
emerge

891
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,040
and

892
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,960
like people they actually learn in a

893
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,280
little bit different way in other words

894
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,079
they do an evolutionary process

895
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:43,280
they find out what uh what kind of

896
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,680
barriers we put in by the vaccines and

897
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,680
developing antibodies

898
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,720
and can mutate in ways that can allow

899
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,920
that

900
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,200
to

901
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,440
you know come up with something that can

902
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,680
negate the vaccines

903
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:02,400
as we've seen within the overcrowd

904
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,440
where

905
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,000
you know biggest advantage to being shot

906
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,640
and boosted than i am

907
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,119
that um you know that you're not that

908
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,599
you won't get

909
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,720
uh

910
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,920
some

911
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,839
form of the disease but it'd be much

912
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,400
milder so your probability

913
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,720
just seeing today the probability of

914
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:25,359
dying if you've been thoroughly

915
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,319
shot

916
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,599
and boosted

917
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,480
is you know 20 to 1

918
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,359
in favor of the people who have done

919
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,920
this but again

920
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,800
the issue here is not just the u.s we

921
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,359
have our own problems but it's a global

922
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,359
issue

923
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,800
because the virus does not stop at any

924
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,440
given border

925
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,560
and so that as we develop these measures

926
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,560
and it develops countermeasures and

927
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,240
counter counter measures

928
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,280
uh

929
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,359
this has got to be something that we

930
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,880
deliver

931
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,240
uh

932
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,119
throughout the entire world the answers

933
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:07,920
are you going to look with it yeah it's

934
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,870
i'm not sure that we're winning on that

935
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,800
again i'm not quite sure who the good

936
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,280
guys are

937
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,280
okay thank you for that uh the next

938
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,359
question is from pearl asking is

939
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,040
consciousness fundamental to the

940
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,839
universe and if not what is underneath

941
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,119
it

942
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,359
no well that's the

943
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,400
that goes back to max planck yeah

944
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,359
consciousness is fundamental and i in my

945
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,119
view

946
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,200
this is not new

947
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,440
uh but i think that is the

948
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,920
fundamental building like the material

949
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:50,400
things arise from consciousness as

950
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,030
and that's why i think that

951
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,200
what we see in studying consciousness

952
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,280
across all of these phenomena are

953
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,280
critical the only way you can begin to

954
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,720
understand it

955
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:07,119
is to understand the components of

956
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:08,720
consciousness

957
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,480
and as they as we see them manifest in

958
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:13,520
this

959
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:14,839
wide wide

960
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,000
range of things but it is fundamental to

961
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,920
everything

962
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,079
again a personal opinion but certainly

963
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,560
not unique

964
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,480
great thank you for that uh fab is

965
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,640
asking with respect to your experience

966
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,480
and with great appreciation to your

967
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,200
service what what would be your number

968
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,680
one advice to the new generation on how

969
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:37,680
to approach what you have studied

970
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,790
oh

971
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:45,839
yeah i do periodically get questions

972
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,200
from people uh that asks you

973
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,040
we're going to get a job

974
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,640
one of the problems has been um

975
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,119
you know i have an initial slide to say

976
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,720
if you're going to be involved in

977
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,880
phenomena you need three things one's

978
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,480
thick skin because you're going to be

979
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
attached one of them is understand

980
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,640
conspiracy theories because you're going

981
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,440
to be part of it but the other one that

982
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,960
germaine here

983
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,359
is you know have a day job or be

984
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,680
independently wealthy

985
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,200
hopefully and i think we are seeing

986
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,480
a significant increase in interest and

987
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,839
recognition of the

988
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,119
importance of

989
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,640
the consciousness and consciousness

990
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,720
interaction of all these things

991
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,920
it will become broader

992
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,640
but

993
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,440
unfortunately in the past

994
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,880
the dominant view stereo still is

995
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,560
materialistic

996
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,720
you know that as i said with the higgs

997
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,800
boson looking for the god particle you

998
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,800
know get down to things that are

999
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:50,880
smaller and smaller

1000
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:57,030
um i like to use uh my experience in

1001
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,359
brazil as a uh kind of a balance

1002
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,000
and the reason i i i've been in brazil

1003
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,920
quite a bit deal with some very very

1004
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,839
very high levels

1005
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,160
and my point there is

1006
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,400
that many of their institutions or

1007
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:14,960
educational institutions are western

1008
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,160
oriented and based on materialistic

1009
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,400
things and at the same time

1010
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,520
many periods if you get a dispiritism

1011
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,760
they have a gun in the ayahuasca or

1012
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,480
spirit chest and all of that

1013
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,119
but they have many of them have formed a

1014
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,960
way to integrate

1015
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,160
things between spiritual nature and

1016
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,960
materialism in ways that you generally

1017
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,390
here in other western countries

1018
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,800
and to the specific question that was

1019
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,640
asked about were the younger

1020
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,560
i think they're going to become more

1021
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:53,040
adaptive

1022
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:54,079
and

1023
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,680
integrate those studies in ways that

1024
00:45:03,190 --> 00:44:59,920
hopefully will change our educational

1025
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,200
system to be more accepting

1026
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,760
and say yes you are

1027
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:08,720
a spiritual being having a human

1028
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,630
uh john the next question is from

1029
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,119
middle child's asking do you believe

1030
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,599
uh plant medicines can break down the

1031
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,359
boundaries between our current

1032
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:25,760
consciousness and the real universal

1033
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,190
well i think it's part of the same thing

1034
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,240
uh i met um

1035
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,640
mcken dennis mckenna

1036
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,440
uh

1037
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,240
and actually in the amazon and i've done

1038
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:42,240
quite a work

1039
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:47,520
my wife is a devotee of ayahuasca

1040
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,040
and um it's interesting because

1041
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,560
you know when you go in it makes

1042
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,920
absolutely no sense you know it's fairly

1043
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:58,319
complex but

1044
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,550
why do the good generals take

1045
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,200
these disparate kinds of plants put them

1046
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,599
together and make something

1047
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,560
that created ayahuasca

1048
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,440
and

1049
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,000
the classic answer is the plants told

1050
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,359
them

1051
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,160
and as dennis had told us we were down

1052
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,400
in iquitos in

1053
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,200
the amazon in peru

1054
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,800
and

1055
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,359
you know what if plants have a universal

1056
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,640
consciousness and that probably is

1057
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,920
part

1058
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,560
of the answer to consciousness what they

1059
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,359
used to tell us we would ask about

1060
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,040
healing various

1061
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,560
diseases

1062
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,720
and say you should ask the plants

1063
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,280
because they know how to do it how to

1064
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,800
provide

1065
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,200
a certain thing now of course biopiracy

1066
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,400
became a huge issue

1067
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,640
and that was anthropologists and

1068
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,040
pharmacologists going in

1069
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:01,839
and finding out uh

1070
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,440
what the shamans had been using for

1071
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,079
you know potentially centuries

1072
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,800
and from that trying to find out

1073
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,839
what's the

1074
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,040
the specific pharmacological active

1075
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,680
agents in there and then

1076
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,400
and then make a ton of money

1077
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,440
you know through big pharma

1078
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:25,200
and unfortunately the people who really

1079
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,599
understood it get screwed in the process

1080
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,480
but

1081
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,720
having said that

1082
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,800
yeah i think they can't

1083
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,440
the short answer to the

1084
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,240
person's question is yeah i think there

1085
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,520
is plain consciousness and that

1086
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,160
it interacts on a broader scale and if

1087
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,079
you're open to it

1088
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,319
it can be quite helpful

1089
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,880
i will tell you also though if i i have

1090
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,520
mentioned iowa and dmt

1091
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,400
i am certain that

1092
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,000
psychopharmacology does not

1093
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,559
explain the kinds of

1094
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,440
experiences that you see

1095
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:06,480
using

1096
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,280
ayahuasca it's far more than just a

1097
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:12,400
dmt

1098
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,030
great thank you john

1099
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,880
middle child just following up just

1100
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,640
simply saying thank you for your service

1101
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,599
and dedication to this phenomena john

1102
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,960
um the other just a statement from for

1103
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,760
sure saying hi john i love your book

1104
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,720
a reality denied

1105
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,160
no thank you

1106
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,559
and um

1107
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,720
so i just uh just to

1108
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,079
adjust the audience real quick we're

1109
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,880
doing q a with john alexander so if you

1110
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,119
have any questions please submit them in

1111
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,280
the chat using three asterisks before

1112
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,079
your question um otherwise you can join

1113
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,839
the voice chat going on right now on

1114
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,240
telegram and you can ask a question of

1115
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:59,040
john directly so john will be on just

1116
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,480
for a little longer

1117
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,559
so please take advantage of that

1118
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,960
uh john so

1119
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,520
basically then

1120
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,000
uh so i've talked to ray several times

1121
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,400
and i've had him on the show and he was

1122
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,720
um just simply he was explaining the

1123
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:17,440
complexity of of the phenomena you know

1124
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,480
and

1125
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
uh it's it's very interesting

1126
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,720
well i should say

1127
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,960
it's interesting what he found but what

1128
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,359
for example like when i know some people

1129
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,160
that are close friends and some you know

1130
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,040
just acquaintances um their mindset for

1131
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,200
example is not on

1132
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:37,280
the you know about these things that

1133
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,960
mine is for example and so

1134
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
i you know it's like there's part of me

1135
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,319
that wants to say hey you know there's

1136
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,559
this whole subject that maybe it might

1137
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,160
be interesting to you to cover but

1138
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,760
there's part of me said just leave them

1139
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,440
be you know they're doing their thing if

1140
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,280
they come across information they come

1141
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,760
across it but you know so i don't know

1142
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,680
it's always kind of like this stuck in

1143
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,680
no man's land what are your thoughts on

1144
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,599
that you know should we speak to people

1145
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,520
more about this or just leave them to

1146
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
come across you know your force and

1147
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,760
consciousness um to come across it

1148
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,470
when the teacher when the student is

1149
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,440
ready the teacher will appear

1150
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:16,640
um

1151
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,160
experience has been you can't force this

1152
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,760
conversely

1153
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:23,359
yeah he used to

1154
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,720
travel uh quite a bit and you know you

1155
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,960
might be on an airplane and it's

1156
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,200
amazing to me how many times you can

1157
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:33,359
bring up things like

1158
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,440
near-death experience or ufos or whatnot

1159
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,319
and have people say oh yes you know that

1160
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,920
was me that that let me tell you a story

1161
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,960
um

1162
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:47,440
so one of the problems that we have in

1163
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,119
all of these areas

1164
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,680
there's a vast amount of information

1165
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,640
that's out there that is not correlated

1166
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,680
and people feel reluctant

1167
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,400
to

1168
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,440
come forward with it

1169
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,760
i'm reading a book at the moment on

1170
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,000
shared death experiences as people

1171
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,440
who've been

1172
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,839
you know where an individual dies and

1173
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,559
some have had near-death experiences

1174
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,400
and shared death is where there's people

1175
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,480
who are with them who have

1176
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,119
part of the experience but of course

1177
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:24,079
come back and one of the universal

1178
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,040
things

1179
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,599
themes that has come up

1180
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,480
is how many people who have had things

1181
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,839
like that are very reluctant

1182
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,640
to

1183
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,040
address that with anybody else

1184
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,839
and that's uh predominantly a fear of

1185
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:41,520
being

1186
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,119
you know called you're crazy or

1187
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:47,599
you know excluded because of

1188
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,839
that from in a community um

1189
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,520
this is one of the things that i will

1190
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:55,760
hope will change

1191
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,559
and i and one of the things i do in

1192
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,040
reality tonight the fact is to talk to

1193
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,640
people and say

1194
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,599
you know

1195
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,319
tell others about the experiences and

1196
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:10,240
you're going to find out it's a lot more

1197
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:11,280
common

1198
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:17,109
great thank you for that

1199
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,480
john four shorts is um asking i have a

1200
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,720
question what's going on right now in

1201
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,599
your ufology what are you expecting for

1202
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,920
the next five years it seems to me it's

1203
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:30,319
been a bit slow for a while at least in

1204
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,990
uh i would not agree with the notion of

1205
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:42,559
new solid cases i think they are coming

1206
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:45,640
forward and one of the reasons is the

1207
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:49,119
ubiquitous nature of sensory systems and

1208
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,720
not only

1209
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,800
military sensors and things of that

1210
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,839
nature and national system

1211
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,319
we got cameras every place

1212
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,040
and they do pick stuff up from time to

1213
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,440
time now whether it will be a dramatic

1214
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,760
case uh or not

1215
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,319
i i don't know

1216
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,880
franklin the ufo community has been its

1217
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:12,839
own worst enemy

1218
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,319
uh and uh i've i've dealt with the

1219
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,200
skeptics i have problems there but i've

1220
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,000
often said uh my advice to the skeptics

1221
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,920
is do not nothing

1222
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,720
uh because the people involved in these

1223
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,440
areas would usually self-emulate

1224
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,720
um

1225
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,400
and if

1226
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,240
i mentioned before that's what i call

1227
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,880
the flame getting too close to the flame

1228
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,720
and people who get caught up in things

1229
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,000
and go off into things that are you know

1230
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,960
demonstrably false or as you've seen

1231
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,280
some of the most you know literally

1232
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,480
created religions out of this

1233
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,349
the ufo community has

1234
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,720
certainly

1235
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,839
had that

1236
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,720
occur

1237
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,760
as well as other areas

1238
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,319
so i think there's a need to be very

1239
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,270
again i am hopeful that some of the

1240
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,920
younger spirits coming in

1241
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,640
will

1242
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,960
you know take an advance and

1243
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,839
approach us from a much more open-minded

1244
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,280
perspective

1245
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:22,720
than

1246
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,230
so john in uh we're coming close uh

1247
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:31,920
close to to the end so i wanted to

1248
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,640
basically leave it to you to um just

1249
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,799
leave us with uh with your final

1250
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,150
final thoughts

1251
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,079
um

1252
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,319
yeah you are a spiritual being having a

1253
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:48,000
human experience

1254
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,400
and these phenomena exist and hopefully

1255
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:54,400
you know we will continue

1256
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,240
to study them more but understand that

1257
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,319
one of your questions earlier

1258
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,200
that consciousness is fundamental and

1259
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,480
permeates everything

1260
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,319
and

1261
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,839
somebody i think

1262
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,359
addressed you know

1263
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:13,200
the approaches just to try to be the

1264
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,109
great well john thank you very much

1265
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,480
again for being on and doing this

1266
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,040
interview i appreciate it uh also

1267
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,119
everyone else watching i appreciate you

1268
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:27,280
logging in so um

1269
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,559
john uh

1270
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:29,440
i

1271
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,960
and so uh

1272
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,599
i hope they run i did notice there's a

1273
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,960
flyer or

1274
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,960
a flag on it now that says we hope to

1275
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,599
run in person and i do too

1276
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,040
right you know there's some there has

1277
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,520
been some good news that um uh there's

1278
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,760
everything is still on schedule and uh

1279
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,319
march first i believe would be the go no

1280
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,960
go time and so we'll know by then for

1281
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
sure but there's been some very hopeful

1282
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,480
information that uh

1283
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,599
it will be in person and still going

1284
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,160
yeah i i had not heard the march 5th

1285
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,240
date so it's good to know

1286
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,559
but uh yeah i'm very hopeful

1287
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,559
a lot of friends because i know ray is

1288
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,160
going to be there and you're going to

1289
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,799
have dave marlaron he's a good friend

1290
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:21,920
have great cases understanding

1291
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:25,119
his in-depth study in various areas not

1292
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:26,240
only

1293
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,240
in triangular ufos but he's got some

1294
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,960
great stuff that he's done

1295
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,400
looking forward to getting back with

1296
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,400
them again

1297
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,760
all right yeah good deal you know

1298
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,680
definitely uh looking forward to that

1299
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,520
too because i know them also well very

1300
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,040
well over the years so it would be nice

1301
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,400
to see him in person

1302
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,799
so john just sit tight we're going to

1303
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,319
just log off with the audience real

1304
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,799
quick so john thank you very much um

1305
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:52,799
everyone else watching i appreciate you

1306
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,160
tuning in uh for those that

1307
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:57,599
are interested and attending the

1308
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,480
conference

1309
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,520
uh the link in the description is in the

1310
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,520
description below where you can purchase

1311
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,960
it also um at the link to john's website

1312
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,559
uh it's also in the description below

1313
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,079
and i certainly hope you take the time

1314
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:13,520
to go and check it out um i will be

1315
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:17,839
doing a uh i guess a giveaway of if you

1316
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,799
if comment in the in the comment section

1317
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,119
and like this video and leave the

1318
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,480
hashtag ozark2022

1319
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,960
come march 9th i will be picking a

1320
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,319
random video

1321
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,200
and then

1322
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,599
doing a random

1323
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,839
algorithm selection that basically then

1324
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,079
would pick a winner where you can win

1325
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,880
two tickets for april 8th till 10th to

1326
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,040
attend the conference so

1327
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,440
hashtag ozark2022

1328
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,119
and i hope you certainly take advantage

1329
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,920
of that so again everyone john thank you